what I don't get: what exactly is the point of Jad doing that, i.e. what does he accomplish? do they simply try out a lot of things and in the end stick with the narrative that has the best outcome? Or is it something else? 18.104.22.168 19:16, 29 October 2008 (UTC)eye
Not 100% sure. I believe it is the best possible outcome, since in one, many are dead, and in another Erasmas and Jad die. --My concern is with the final section about the Narrative where members die during launch. Isn't this really concerning the backlash of the spam filter Sammann discusses in which valid messages are not being sent/received. I was under the impression that the ret with being spammed with bad data saying some members died. Any ideas?
Some answers (I think) Edit
I've had extensive discussions on this topic on a separate message board and have been able to hash out some of my ideas by talking about them there. I'm still working on the details but I'm starting to list out some of my thoughts and theories on my user page: User:Gotexan.
- Well, as you know I don't think it's time travel, but actually I want to point out that message boards are the place to discuss this, not a wiki or even a talk page. Generally wikis about things have to seriously stamp out fan theories and speculation or it just goes wild. At best, they will create a "speculation" page which can be linked off the main page. The main pages should be limited to documenting what's actually seen in the book (or learned from NS) The stuff about the amaneunsis (and perhaps a page should be created for that) is well worth documenting though.
- You're right of course. Once I've made my thoughts more concrete I'd like to add them to the wiki as "speculation" pages. Unfortunately I'm new to this and have absolutely no idea how to set up those pages. Any help? In the meantime I've pulled it all off here and moved it to my user page. I've also added a "Thoughts on Rhetor Ability and Polycosmic Theory" section. Check it out and let me know what you think. I'm still trying to figure out how an amaneunsis would work, exactly, as a conduit within Polycosmic theory. Once I figure it out I'd like to add a page.
- Wikis can link to external sources, and even to message board threads that discuss speculative topics. My reading is that the Amaneunsis concept is meant to stand in for the mythical observer who in copenhagen causes collapse by observing, and in many worlds takes only one path while all states exist. NS seems to be playing with merging the two -- there is a special observer who somehow guides which of the worlds is more real. This idea that there are many worlds but some will be more real than others is a bit inconsistent, but it may be what NS is trying for. Start up a thread on your blog or use mine or somewhere else. If people identify really solid clues they get documented in the wiki. What page is the dinosaur in parking lot on, I only remember it roughly.--Bradtem 23:05, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
Let me add a suggested structure. Make a page about historical inconsistencies and list the (deliberate) ones you have seen such as the dinosaur, and Cell 317's memories. You can link to and from the Rhetor page and other relevant pages to suggest that Rhetor power could be linked to this. You can update the Rhetor page to include everything salient said about them in the book. Then link off to external discussions where people can decide if these clues mean time travel, or records changing, or something else.--Bradtem 03:10, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
- That's a really great idea for a structure, thanks! Unfortunately I'm gonna be out of town on business for the next week, so I won't be able to get to it right away, but thanks for the help! --Gotexan
Possible Inaccuracy Edit
The article states: Erasmas asks Lodoghir if there was a way to bring Jad back
My recollection is that Erasmas inquires if there is a way to bring Orolo back, which is determined to be impossible, and that Jad's absence is left as a mystery.