I thought it was made quite clear that Fraa Lodoghir was a Rhetor, and that he admitted as much when Raz confronted him on the subject. Raz was upset at first that Lodoghir would not be able to change past events to the point where Orolo lived and Arbre established peaceful relations with PACD, then he realized that the two Narratives were incompatible. 02:39, 28 December 2008 (UTC)Ryan

It is certainly strongly implied, and clear he knows about Rhetors, but it is never actually shown, he never does anything specific. He is accompanied by two thousanders, who may be the rhetors.--Bradtem 06:51, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Note on the recent addition -- this may not understand the point it is trying to answer. They do travel up the flow, of course, but the point is the theors spend a lot of time describing how information must not travel back up the flow, and yet it does -- thus a contradiction. --Bradtem 09:38, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

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